Autism, Academics, and Animals | Dr. Temple Grandin | #318


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Dr Jordan B Peterson and Temple Grandin discuss the pros and cons of visual and verbal thinking, as well as categorization, animal welfare, targeted activism, and the importance of hands-on learning opportunities.

Temple Grandin is a Professor of Animal Science at Colorado State University. Facilities she has designed for handling livestock are used by companies all around the world. Her work has also been instrumental in implementing animal welfare auditing programs, now used by McDonalds, Wendy’s, Whole Foods, and many other major corporations. Temple has appeared on numerous shows across platforms, such as 20/20, Larry King Live, and Prime Time. Grandin is an accomplished author, with books such as Thinking in Pictures, Livestock Handling and Transport, and The Autistic Brain. A few of her other publications, Animals in Translation, as well as Visual Thinking, have even made it to the New York Times Bestseller List. In 2017, Grandin was inducted into the National Women’s Hall of Fame, and in 2022 she was honored once again as a Colorado State Distinguished Professor.

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– Chapters –

(0:00) Coming up
(1:00) Intro
(3:00) Visual thinking and categorization
(6:32) Thinking in words, comparative invention
(8:50) Associative thinking, dreams
(12:00) Thought process
(13:00) Autism, things out of place
(16:40) Skill loss, screened out
(20:00) Two types of visual thinking
(24:50) Skillsets geared toward visual thinkers
(26:00) Grandin demonstrates associative thinking
(28:15) Dreams and association webs
(30:50) Cohen, shop taken out of schools
(33:45) Virtualization, exposure learning
(36:30) Removed from the practical
(38:00) Citations, proof
(41:30) Recommendations for visual thinkers
(46:23) Working in tandem
(47:50) Broad and pointed design
(55:40) Gap between the practical and abstract
(59:30) Competition, neuro diversity
(1:02:00) Privileging of the semantic
(1:04:00) Vintage textbooks, object visualization
(1:07:00) Mechanics are not being replenished
(1:08:30) Fragility of our power grid
(1:10:40) Behavior of cows, follow the leader
(1:16:45) Stopping cattle, novel attractors
(1:18:50) Voluntary exposure
(1:23:55) Humane slaughter, distress
(1:27:00) How the plants work
(1:28:20) Grandin on her early career
(1:33:35) Animal welfare, targeted activism
(1:36:40) Why cattle?
(1:38:34) Facing fear and backdoors


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